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hello this is Nick Pope and you're

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listening to the paranormal UK radio

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network the UK's biggest paranormal

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Network and this is paranormal

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dimensions with David Young hello and

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welcome to the show thanks for that Nick

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okay now today this show today

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which I'm doing is really an unplanned

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I'm gonna call it a special because the

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guest I've got on foot mental we were

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gonna do a show a few weeks back but for

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the ill we have to cancel it

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we work in a sort of reschedule yet but

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we've refreshed we've reciate you'll

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disappear early now because of all this

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I'll go call it nonsense about the the

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alien autopsy

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nonsense it's resurfaced and this in all

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the newspapers and news and everything I

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think I'm finding it quite hilarious

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because so I you know I think feels much

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the same but it's a lot of annoyance

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with it as well because there's been a

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lot of them it seems to be a lot of

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facebook it's called bad blood about it

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and but we'll see where the wittiest

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leads and hopefully I feel like anymore

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just a couple of calling out so I

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normally do now and I've got a call

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called out for this time it's Chris

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Evers in Howard UK because he's another

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presenter on this network he's dead I

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cut the shows with Spiros Volaris and

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and feel so we've got give them a call

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chant henna also in the USA has been

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involved in a few of the arguments so

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we've got yer call there and I've gotta

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give a call outs of spirits Belarus

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himself from London UK

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who's the center of attention in all of

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this really and I do intend to get him

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back on again because I did a two-part

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show with him but a few shows back where

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he laid it all on the line about how the

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film was made and everything but since

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then this is all resurfaced again and

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well it's just all going crazy so I

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think with that crazy thing in mind this

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get to fill mantle onto the show well

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Phil nice to speak to you David

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how I feel it's nice to have you one and

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I hope you're all feeling a lot better

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now than one fortunately we had to

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cancel let's show previously but we've

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got a little bit of a different

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direction now no we were going to talk

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certainly was going to talk about the

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alien autopsy with the pork and

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everything you wrote about it but I

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think we've really got to make this a

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special show completely about the

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Canadian autopsy and your part in it

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well not unique but your research into

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it yeah my pleasure David it really is

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because originally you you what naughty

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you had a part in a book called beyond

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Roswell which you contributed to

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pressured like to tell us a bit about

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that first and then tell us how you've

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sort of disowned your Poe idea I mean I

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mean beyond Roswell goes back to sort of

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the mid 1990s co-authored with

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Akiyama from Germany Michael at that

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time was a very active UFO researcher he

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was also editor of a German newsstand

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magazine called magazine 2000 it was

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widely traveled and and Michael wrote

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beyond Roswell first in German and I

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didn't have any part in that and Michael

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english-language version if we could get

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a contract so you know although I am the

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co-author my you know Michael broke the

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the vast majority of the book I'll make

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no no no bones about that I contributed

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work mainly about the alien autopsy film

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though it's quite informative with all

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these oh absolutely I mean you know I'm

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not taking away anything from Michael

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it's it's very well-written

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researchers who wouldn't sit behind his

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desk I mean you know if there was a new

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witness crop-top somewhere Michael would

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be on the phone and on the next airplane

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you know to try and interview them so

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his beliefs and did an excellent job and

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you know the the alien autopsy self was

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going full swing and we took a very

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positive stance regarding its

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authenticity

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I believe so you know I make no bones

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Roswell in general and the alien autopsy

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film itself you know my opinions have

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changed as they have done with a whole

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host of topics down the years you know I

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think you know the the the the the

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beauty of you like I've researched if

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you do enough of it it can either

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reinforce your ideas or force you to

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change them with the the information and

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the evidence you come across so you know

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I I still have no doubt that something

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you know did crash at Roswell New Mexico

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back in 1947 however I am skeptical that

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it was you know a vehicle from another

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world I know I'm not saying it wasn't

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would love to be proven wrong and of

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course my my views regarding the alien

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autopsy film have shown a complete you

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know about face because of the ongoing

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research that that we did after the book

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beyond Roswell was published and and a

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lot more things happened to that where

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years ago now but certainly today that

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the alien autopsy film that was released

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by Ray Santilli in 1995 is indeed a fake

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100% fake and I am confident that you

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know I have tracked it from it's very

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inception right the way through to today

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and I've no doubt about it and it does

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saddened me somewhat David that

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so-called UFO researchers who many of

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whom well I will remain nameless you

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know I've tried to jump on the bandwagon

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now because of these this recent memo

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that's come out and try and reinvent the

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wheel when you know the workers all

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you been done simple as that you know we

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had lots where these people been you

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know because you know it's obviously

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been proven and with Spiros coming out

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of not out of the woodwork or going to

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use that so but you came out and

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admitted it all these shown how it was

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done and everything I really don't

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understand where these so these

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researchers have kind of not mid not not

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don't know about that I don't understand

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it well I think some of them do we have

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to also understand that there may be you

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know newcomers to this subject to were

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not as well-versed as us so I can

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appreciate that but some of the

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long-term is that he's no excuse

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whatsoever and I think if Aronson Linda

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Moulton Howe are you because um she did

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a little presentation little while ago

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was a couple weeks ago now and she's

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actually got her copyright over of

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Sporus his copyright well yeah I mean

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you know I watch that you know I was not

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surprised you know I've met Linda a few

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times and I I've sent her a not a not a

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battery of emails I've sent her a small

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number pointing out the errors that

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she's making I even offered you know

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free copy of my book the PDF not even

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have the courtesy of a reply so you you

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you know you can figure out why for

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yourself here I've heard those types of

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comments from other people before anyway

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so we know and you have been kind enough

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to offer those free PDFs to quatrain

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quite an audience out there as well

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haven't you yeah I mean my book Roswell

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alien autopsy came out a few years ago

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amended little bits of it I'll probably

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have to amend another bit now but you

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it there was no way I could keep up with

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all the different threads and then the

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emails and the messages so in my own

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small way David I thought the best way I

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can do it is perhaps to offer to anyone

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who wants it and this offer is still

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if anyone wants a free PDF copy of my

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book you just have to send me an email

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or a private message on facebook give me

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their email address

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they can have one there's no strings

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attached no nothing all I do is here's

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the book yeah

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when I put this show on my on my page

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for the paranormal dimensions page I

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will actually mention it again then I'll

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put your email address if anyone wants a

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copy in your be quite welcome to have

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one when I absolutely I mean I've sent

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out probably over about a hundred

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already and I'm willing to keep this

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software open indefinitely you know

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personally I mean I've got a hard copy

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myself which you can t sign for me a

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couple years ago but I think it's nice

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to have a PDF copy as well because you

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can get to you sometimes you sitting in

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front of your computer you don't wanna

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get a book out and you know you can sort

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of reference bits and pieces but if

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you've got a colleague that's interested

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you can just forward the PDF you can

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save a reader this thing interrupted

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upit and i take it where you want to

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take it for it but I mean obviously from

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beyond was well into your research into

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the the truth behind the Roswell alien

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autopsy yeah I mean going way back now

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was first contacted by Ray Santilli in

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1993 at that time I was Beaufort

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press officer and it's it's the you know

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the dawn of a female witch which we

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so letters was still the king we we had

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an inquiry from the Merlin group which

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was late and a little company just

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asking in general if we we bill for her

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could assist with the making of a a UFO

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documentary so I replied I said you know

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we had a sort of a little leaflet all

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about beautiful have said that exchanged

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a couple of letters and then eventually

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spoke to Ray on the telephone and again

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you know there was no mention of Roswell

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or alien autopsy to begin with and it

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was only some months down the line this

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may have now tipped over into you know

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1994 or when Ray said well you know

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Philip I actually have film of the crash

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dissected or top-seed so obviously my

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instant reaction was that's a great

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story

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show me so you know we had this

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conversation backwards and forwards I

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met ray in London when we were helping

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to promote the movie fire in the sky we

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press conference afterwards

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and raised offices in London were far

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from the venue so I invite anything to

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attend and he did he came along I know I

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had a quick chat with him and he told me

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about beginning Cleveland Ohio in in

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1993 an old boy filmed Elvis as a you

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know a nobody so he bought this Elvis

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footage of him and then Ray said well

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they all chaps or if you like that you

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know I used to be in the military in the

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nineteen forties during the war as a

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cameraman and I filmed the crash at

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Roswell so ray claimed he took an

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internal flight to this gentleman's

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house and they literally got an old

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projector out and he showed it in

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Molly's wall and he could seize its

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wartime memorabilia around the house you

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know and that's this Canada and they

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shook hands on a deal and it was a big

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cash and and provider was not to release

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this old boys identity so that was the

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you know the basis of the story and I

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said it's a great story ray but just

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show me the film so it went on yes I can

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no account so in the end I just said

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look you know get lost you know it's

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just another fantastic story but I've

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got his business card and then in early

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1995 again as part of Beaufort I was

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saying a videocassette of the movie

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Roswell that had been made by paul

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davids in the u.s. it was now been

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released here by Sony it was only a

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small time release there was no big

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fanfare they just sent as a review copy

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and it prompted me to think oh I wonder

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if that sounds Hillary yeah I still

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claims to have this Roswell film so I

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pulled out a big business card I used to

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keep them all in a box and I'm running

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out of the blue this is yes I do feel it

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but you don't believe me so I can't

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believe you until you show me it so it's

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a lot make an appointment with my my

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secretary and come down as you know so

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we did exactly that my wife and I we

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drove to London to his offices in

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Malcolm Street and you know his

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shoulders first off his shoulders a

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piece of film on VHS which he called the

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tent footage he claimed that this was in

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a field tent filmed on site in the

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desert you know before they shipped the

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bodies off to wherever so what you see

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is a it's a creature on the slab it's

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covered by a blanket you see the head

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poking out the top there's too many

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white coats the fast side seem to have a

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knife in their hand and and some fleshy

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material there's a lamp hanging up the

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cameras static the camera does not move

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and every now and again there's a man

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with it with these walks in front of the

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camera with his back to it it's black

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and white no sound and he actually gave

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me a copy and I still have that VHS here

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today I've got nothing to complain on

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now but I still have it so you know at

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least we could confirm that the film did

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exist it was no longer just a story so I

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arranged you know about a month or so

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later to go down again and and see more

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so over the next few weeks we were shown

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to separate alien autopsy films just so

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there are two well they're both

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different same creature same room same

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you know white suited people in it and

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we were shown some wreckage they called

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the debris footage so when he sure was

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they they're more clearer autopsy film I

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asked her a what his intentions were

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and he said I'm gonna make a documentary

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and I'm gonna put it on video and I'm

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gonna sell it and that's it you'll be on

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a bike direct from me or well we have it

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in the high street shops maybe you know

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whichever whichever chain and that was

352
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it there was no television involved so I

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felt this film really needs to get out

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into the public and one of the other

355
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things I also did for before when I was

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there conference organizer and that year

357
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1995 I already had the conference

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organized for August in Sheffield all

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the speaker's booked everything so just

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off the top of my head I asked ray if we

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would show it at our conference and to

362
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my surprise he said yes so really at

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this point you believed it was a true

364
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footage well I was keeping my options

365
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open what what I want you know we we've

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been talking on and off for 18 months

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what we could confirm is that film did

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exist hmm what this film was where it

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came from I don't know you know and I

370
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looked around Ray's office this was no

371
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brand office on Baulkham Street you know

372
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it was a small business my impression

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that if this was a fake ray certainly

374
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hadn't made it because well he was in

375
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the business of buying and selling David

376
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just you know that's what he did for a

377
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living and probably still does he would

378
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license me mainly music he worked it you

379
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know it'll I see drivers after the

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obesity choppers that's right you know

381
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and he exclaimed he's got one of the

382
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biggest private collections of Elvis

383
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memorabilia outside of Graceland yeah

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well we could actually confirm that he

385
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did go to Cleveland Ohio when not in

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1993 it was actually the year before the

387
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reason being I think it was in the

388
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Sunday Mirror all the Sunday people they

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actually did a feature in it

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and it was talking about his trip to

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Cleveland and he actually did buy some

392
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memorabilia these were letters and for

393
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some reason he's not allowed to publish

394
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the letters because for whatever reason

395
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I don't know the intricacies behind

396
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copyright and things like that but

397
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nonetheless it did confirm he'd been out

398
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there

399
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some Elvis stuff you know so I just

400
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thought we need to get it out in the

401
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open if we do then you I and everyone

402
00:18:58,380 --> 00:18:58,000
else can say that's my grandfather on

403
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there

404
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,840
you know he told me about it oh I'm one

405
00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:04,240
of the actors on there we filmed it

406
00:19:09,299 --> 00:19:06,760
you know Elstree in the back lot I've

407
00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:09,309
provided the props for it it's a fake

408
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you know whichever way you want to look

409
00:19:16,110 --> 00:19:14,170
at it so ray says I'll show it your

410
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:16,120
confidence on one condition and I said

411
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what's the I says will you help me

412
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:19,450
research it so I wish your cans and that

413
00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:20,890
was it with no money involved or

414
00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:23,380
anything like that Ray was then still

415
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making his own documentary for sale as

416
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well and he asked me to help on that and

417
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he paid me for it

418
00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:31,960
people have said all philip mountain was

419
00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:35,230
paid by Ray Santilli I wasn't paid paid

420
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:37,540
I was paid to work on Ray's documentary

421
00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:40,450
now what it was released the narration

422
00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:43,380
is done by Brian Blessed you know

423
00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:47,500
well-known British actor so I wrote it I

424
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wrote all that when you hear Brian

425
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:51,850
Blessed or a documentary it's my words I

426
00:19:57,299 --> 00:19:54,610
also set up a number of interviews with

427
00:20:00,560 --> 00:19:57,309
various people that rain you know in the

428
00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:00,570
end didn't bother with I also set up

429
00:20:05,790 --> 00:20:04,300
Kodak in Hemel Hempstead to analyze the

430
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film even the British Film Institute

431
00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:09,460
which was also nearby came on board I

432
00:20:15,630 --> 00:20:11,920
didn't organize that that was done via

433
00:20:18,810 --> 00:20:15,640
via Kodak so once all that work was done

434
00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:18,820
that was me finished and the research

435
00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:20,800
side of the film went on totally

436
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,580
separately so you know I think was

437
00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:27,600
roundabout I don't know April May time

438
00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:31,540
1995 I got a phone call from a colleague

439
00:20:37,860 --> 00:20:34,540
in in Sheffield who was working on a

440
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:37,870
local newspaper and he said I'm doing an

441
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:41,410
article about a UFO investigator he just

442
00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:43,090
started up Philip I know you've got a

443
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:45,190
conference in in August give us a couple

444
00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:47,650
of lines about it and I'll I'll organise

445
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:49,780
something you know Graham delay away so

446
00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:51,850
I said you know we've got the first two

447
00:20:56,730 --> 00:20:53,950
Russian scientist commanders this that

448
00:20:58,169 --> 00:20:56,740
and I said oh by the way this the alien

449
00:21:01,049 --> 00:20:58,179
autopsy film

450
00:21:03,989 --> 00:21:01,059
you know it's just off the cuff you know

451
00:21:05,579 --> 00:21:03,999
and then a couple of days later after

452
00:21:08,669 --> 00:21:05,589
this went out and I think it's the

453
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Sheffield star a press agency from

454
00:21:12,719 --> 00:21:11,199
Sheffield rang me and they they were the

455
00:21:15,239 --> 00:21:12,729
only thing they were interested in was

456
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:15,249
this alien autopsy they quizzed me about

457
00:21:20,969 --> 00:21:18,129
that and all I could repeat to them it

458
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was what I'd seen and what race until he

459
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,549
had told me and I never felt never

460
00:21:28,229 --> 00:21:26,559
thought no more about see David you know

461
00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:28,239
and then come the weekend

462
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it just went bananas obviously the press

463
00:21:36,689 --> 00:21:34,599
agency had sent this out and literally

464
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out this was still the days of fax

465
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machines mail fax machine just couldn't

466
00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:41,799
keep up because they couldn't find Ray

467
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Santilli because it just mentioned

468
00:21:48,209 --> 00:21:46,329
London businessman Ray Santilli well he

469
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didn't live in London his phone number

470
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was ex-director and there was no mention

471
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of his company if they mention his

472
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company name then them would have been

473
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able to find him but filling mantle

474
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battling in West Yorkshire I'm in the

475
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phone book you know so everybody in his

476
00:22:05,179 --> 00:22:03,219
job was phoning me and pretty much all I

477
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:05,189
could do was passed them on to Ray

478
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because I I you know and that's when the

479
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television became involved you know I

480
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think was round about April time and so

481
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I saw that's how it it kicked off in the

482
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public domain and of course Ray had his

483
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own private screening on May the 5th at

484
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the London Museum that was an invited

485
00:22:30,809 --> 00:22:26,429
audience there was a lot of media there

486
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and he did turn up and show the film our

487
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conference in August I mean the place

488
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was packed we had to hire an extra room

489
00:22:41,969 --> 00:22:38,619
then show it all on CCTV that such was

490
00:22:45,299 --> 00:22:41,979
the demand and it became slowly became

491
00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:45,309
the biggest UFO controversy of his time

492
00:22:51,809 --> 00:22:47,289
now what I decided to do rightly all

493
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wrong David was in public and to raise

494
00:23:00,749 --> 00:22:55,779
face I would support the authenticity of

495
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the film because I knew by this time in

496
00:23:04,679 --> 00:23:02,499
fact I got to know quite early on how

497
00:23:07,129 --> 00:23:04,689
very work if you demanded anything off

498
00:23:10,769 --> 00:23:07,139
him and they it would just cut you off

499
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:10,779
you know for example God rest his soul

500
00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:11,770
he's not

501
00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:13,660
live anymore but Stanton Friedman I

502
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:15,640
arranged for Stanton to mirre they did

503
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:19,570
me and stand him faxed him with a list

504
00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:27,760
of demands rage' said it was this fellow

505
00:23:33,930 --> 00:23:29,740
it's my film who is he to demand

506
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:33,940
anything did Stanley actually believe it

507
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or was he not a job maybe it's alright

508
00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:40,540
okay yeah I mean before he before he

509
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:43,540
came to a decision he you know he kept

510
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:46,690
an open mind it in fairness to Stan but

511
00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:48,250
the one thing that did it for him I

512
00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:50,670
think very early on was Santilli claimed

513
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that he had seen somebody as Santilli

514
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what convinced you the film was real he

515
00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:59,440
says you could see President Truman on

516
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:01,330
it so clearly that you could read his

517
00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:03,730
lips and of course Truman he's not on it

518
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:06,040
anywhere and this dates when these

519
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:07,930
various things should have happened

520
00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:10,330
so Stanton contacted the Truman library

521
00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:13,960
and checked where it wasn't he he was

522
00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:15,940
accounted for on all these dates that

523
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:17,590
sound silly who gave him so in other

524
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:23,290
words it was [\h__\h] you know yeah so

525
00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:25,870
Stanton you know issue these demands and

526
00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:27,550
Santilli never bothered with him again

527
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:30,340
so I decided to take a different stance

528
00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:33,910
was you know play ball with him but

529
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:35,620
behind the scenes try and get to the

530
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,690
bottom of it which whichever way I could

531
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:40,720
and I was convinced David rightly or

532
00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:42,910
wrongly that once that film was shown on

533
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:46,060
television and it was it was around the

534
00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:48,250
world I mean I think the Fox special

535
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:50,740
alien autopsy fact or fiction had her on

536
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:52,990
her audience but between 15 and 20

537
00:24:59,610 --> 00:24:56,970
million I would learn is that you know

538
00:25:03,000 --> 00:24:59,620
somewhat contact either me or someone

539
00:25:05,910 --> 00:25:03,010
else and say I've got some info about

540
00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:05,920
this you know and that's me yeah I'm an

541
00:25:11,670 --> 00:25:08,980
actor and I got paid you know by whoever

542
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:11,680
but nothing you know it was the typical

543
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:14,290
sort of tumbleweed scene you know

544
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:19,450
absolutely nothing and I was amazed you

545
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:21,310
know and of course you know the film

546
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,530
rolled on it getting screened elsewhere

547
00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:25,360
eventually the internet kick

548
00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:27,460
in and there was discussions on

549
00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:32,440
CompuServe forums and so on but not not

550
00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:34,840
a thing so I was still in that I still

551
00:25:41,130 --> 00:25:38,200
stuck to my stance of hidden public

552
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:41,140
supporting Rea about but behind the

553
00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:42,730
scenes just trying to get to the bomb I

554
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:44,350
worked with colleagues around the world

555
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:46,450
one was Michael hesselman

556
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,870
in Germany you know I'm gonna roll in

557
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:52,240
Norway Moritz he'll be after and Robert

558
00:25:58,110 --> 00:25:54,940
upon Otte in Italy that Tim Matthews

559
00:26:00,600 --> 00:25:58,120
here in the UK and all those and of

560
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:00,610
course Bob Kabir the producer of alien

561
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:03,130
autopsy fact or fiction Bob and I are

562
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,840
still in contact to this very day

563
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:06,640
in fact I spoke to him just just just

564
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:10,450
just at the weekend so you know and just

565
00:26:17,010 --> 00:26:13,570
what I tend what I did every now and

566
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,020
again you know I I was busy lecturing at

567
00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:19,840
that point and I would write an update

568
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:23,140
every now and again David you know keep

569
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:25,690
keep the keep the try and keep it in the

570
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,790
public eye as much as I could in the

571
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:29,679
hope that somebody would come forward

572
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:34,809
and you know that's how I rightly or

573
00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:37,929
wrongly how how I you know investigated

574
00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:44,160
this film hmm so I mean at this point so

575
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:46,840
spirit was obviously unknown at that

576
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:49,780
point that he was all behind you well

577
00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:52,210
exactly I mean there was also a film

578
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:54,549
made that was supposedly an interview

579
00:27:02,010 --> 00:26:56,110
with the cameraman so we have five

580
00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:02,020
separate films right so first off don't

581
00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:03,820
ask me what year it was because I can't

582
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:06,669
remember but I got an email from a chap

583
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:09,940
called Keith it was called Keith good

584
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:12,280
year and he said Philip

585
00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:14,650
I know something about the alien autopsy

586
00:27:22,049 --> 00:27:19,900
film okay so keep getting these from

587
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:22,059
them when I rang him he know keith was

588
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:25,990
not involved in in making it at all but

589
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:29,440
Keith was involved in video was in

590
00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:31,799
animation and things like that he said I

591
00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:35,800
went to the offices of a company called

592
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:38,830
a Kay music

593
00:27:45,270 --> 00:27:40,990
with the view of working for them you

594
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:45,280
know doing a bear they spear that and he

595
00:27:49,530 --> 00:27:46,440
says well I'm there

596
00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:49,540
he said the phone rings and one of the

597
00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:52,300
guys who owns this little company picks

598
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,580
it up and it's raced down til he's

599
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:57,840
talking to so puts the phone down and

600
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:02,320
Keith says to this chat stop the race

601
00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:03,820
and Hillary so what do you mean do you

602
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:06,160
race up to me he says the only an

603
00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:08,530
autopsy guy and he says this fella said

604
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:10,900
I laughing it says yeah you said we make

605
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:15,550
it we did so he gave me the details of

606
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:17,290
this company it was called a Kay music

607
00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:20,470
8k stood for Andy and Keith Keith

608
00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:22,780
another Keith was a gentleman called

609
00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:23,830
Keith Bateman

610
00:28:31,770 --> 00:28:26,830
now I eventually tracked Keith down and

611
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:31,780
what he eventually told me was that yes

612
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:34,810
indeed he didn't make the the actual to

613
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:38,070
autopsy videos he made the tent footage

614
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:40,690
which was the first piece of film as I

615
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:43,180
mentioned that Ray Santilli showed to me

616
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:45,310
and others that was the bait that Lord

617
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:49,090
is in he also sold that piece of film to

618
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:51,100
Fox as part of his deal and then then

619
00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:55,120
pulled it at the last moment and what

620
00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:56,980
Keith went on to tell us was he said we

621
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:59,530
again we used to work with ray didn't

622
00:29:04,050 --> 00:29:00,250
work for him

623
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:04,060
you see I make karaoke videos so you

624
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,350
know we would license a bit of music

625
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:07,360
chromium vice-versa and he said we used

626
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:08,950
to have sort of Daffy brainstorming

627
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:11,050
sessions to see how we could you know

628
00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:13,150
working on another project

629
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:15,340
it's what China way one day and so you

630
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:17,140
know one of the lads at work from he

631
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:19,270
said great to have some Roswell footage

632
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:21,700
simply because it was reading a book

633
00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:23,010
about Roswell

634
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:26,800
now that chap I am a statement from him

635
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:29,950
he's called Philip Philip the Armand and

636
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:33,010
he has confirmed that and so Keith said

637
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:35,110
you know he took up the cudgel decay

638
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:36,520
case the great character

639
00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:40,060
lovely fella you know but never Jackie

640
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:42,670
alive and I mean that in the nicest way

641
00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:46,330
got a great wicked sense of humor so he

642
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:48,340
went off to a farm in Bedford sure and

643
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:50,560
made the alien autopsy film underneath

644
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:51,790
the blanket

645
00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:54,190
is his son the head of the alien is a

646
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:57,640
polystyrene head for putting wigs on you

647
00:30:01,260 --> 00:29:59,410
know and he cut the eyes out made them

648
00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:01,270
bigger and put orange peel in there and

649
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:05,740
just black him out one of the guys in

650
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:08,230
white coats he's a chap called Elliot

651
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:10,120
will work for him the guy next to him is

652
00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:12,700
a local butcher and the chapel walks in

653
00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:14,230
front of the camera now and that's the

654
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:16,180
farmer on and also found the field in

655
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:19,150
the film did originally it was shot in

656
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:22,210
color so then Keith put it through you

657
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:24,850
know a little computer and changed it I

658
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:26,860
actually have a color still from the

659
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:28,990
film now that Keith gave me and he says

660
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:30,850
what I did Phillip I took that to sound

661
00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:33,460
Tillie showed it to him anything ah

662
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:35,620
that's rubbish it's too dark

663
00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:37,890
still dingy nobody'll ever fall for that

664
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:42,820
go away and get me a budget to make

665
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:44,920
something better and brighter so Keith

666
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:48,880
did exactly that and it came back with a

667
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:51,490
budget and a kiss out of these long 10%

668
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:53,620
on I think but ray said no still much go

669
00:31:01,710 --> 00:30:57,850
away but until he kept the tent footage

670
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:01,720
and the idea was then born and and

671
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:06,130
that's where it all began and you know

672
00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:10,690
we took it from there now every year in

673
00:31:15,420 --> 00:31:13,180
France we are aware of the Cannes Film

674
00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:15,430
Festival but there's also a a similar

675
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:18,300
business event but this time for

676
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:23,950
television and in early 1995 Spiros

677
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:29,670
malarious was going to this convention

678
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:33,850
and he got a business director that goes

679
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:37,120
with it and he was doing some filming

680
00:31:42,510 --> 00:31:39,160
over there you saw his own little film

681
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:42,520
company and he had some spare time on

682
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:45,430
his hands while I was there so we faxed

683
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:48,970
a number of companies at random saying

684
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:52,120
you know we're for hire in quite by

685
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:54,520
chance he met up with Ray Santilli the

686
00:31:58,530 --> 00:31:56,530
only reason he fax sound Tilley because

687
00:32:01,050 --> 00:31:58,540
you know he didn't their offices weren't

688
00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:01,060
far away he met sound Tilley at this

689
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,430
festival until he told him this

690
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:05,120
cock-and-bull story about the mister

691
00:32:10,409 --> 00:32:07,610
military cameraman and so on so when we

692
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:10,419
get back spiros went to his office

693
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:13,490
showed him the videotape in the 1014

694
00:32:17,409 --> 00:32:15,740
speedo since that's fake yeah that's

695
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:17,419
never seen film that's being shot on

696
00:32:21,159 --> 00:32:19,610
video so Raymonda

697
00:32:23,769 --> 00:32:21,169
it's spent a lot of money on it and all

698
00:32:26,529 --> 00:32:23,779
that because of course he hadn't sospiro

699
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:26,539
said well my friend John Humphries is a

700
00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:30,230
you know fully trained a Royal Academy

701
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:32,629
sculptor who's worked in the film and

702
00:32:37,989 --> 00:32:34,610
television business we can make you a

703
00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:37,999
real one and the budget was I think

704
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:40,220
around about thirty to thirty-five

705
00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:44,960
thousand really it's not yeah but Ray

706
00:32:49,019 --> 00:32:46,340
didn't put the money up his business

707
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:49,029
partner in Germany well go Spielberg did

708
00:32:57,879 --> 00:32:54,080
now Spiros you know conceived it

709
00:33:01,899 --> 00:32:57,889
designed it built the the set the props

710
00:33:04,629 --> 00:33:01,909
I have the props the whole shebang the

711
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,639
built the set he's in his sister's

712
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:06,080
apartment in Camden because she was

713
00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:08,289
having the the place renovated anyway

714
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:11,749
John John Humphries made the dummies to

715
00:33:20,409 --> 00:33:16,730
you know and and hey presto they filmed

716
00:33:21,999 --> 00:33:20,419
the first autopsy and Spiro says

717
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:22,009
girlfriend at the time she'd done all

718
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:25,340
the medical research and she said you've

719
00:33:30,489 --> 00:33:27,710
done something wrong I can't remember

720
00:33:32,259 --> 00:33:30,499
which part of it but something was wrong

721
00:33:36,249 --> 00:33:32,269
and she said if he showed that I'm not

722
00:33:39,129 --> 00:33:36,259
believing something to do with the tools

723
00:33:40,779 --> 00:33:39,139
used I think that came in - no no no it

724
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:40,789
was one of the procedures that did they

725
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:42,710
did a kind of a gynecological

726
00:33:47,289 --> 00:33:45,470
examination shall we say and she said

727
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:47,299
you would never do that in an autopsy

728
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:51,740
that he's no point you know so they're

729
00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:54,169
running out of money Santilli said will

730
00:33:58,810 --> 00:33:55,669
that say it was social spirit says no

731
00:34:00,759 --> 00:33:58,820
see what we'll do we'll make another one

732
00:34:01,239 --> 00:34:00,769
and we're doing tomorrow and I'll pay

733
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,249
for it

734
00:34:05,649 --> 00:34:03,679
you know I'll pay the money for out you

735
00:34:08,349 --> 00:34:05,659
know I'll pay the crew pay for the the

736
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:08,359
model dips whatever so they went back

737
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:09,290
the next day

738
00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:12,200
maybe another model from the mold this

739
00:34:15,609 --> 00:34:14,119
time there was a fault with that there's

740
00:34:18,129 --> 00:34:15,619
a big hole in the leg so they had to

741
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:18,139
improvise so in that leg they put some

742
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:18,800
animal bone

743
00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:22,280
from the butchers and so on you used a

744
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:23,720
blowtorch on it apparently to make you

745
00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:28,850
look injury they improvised and filmed

746
00:34:34,290 --> 00:34:30,860
it and that's the one that everyone's

747
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:34,300
seen on television or on the Internet

748
00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:39,200
the other one I've seen once Mauricio

749
00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:41,480
for a buyout of Rome Italy seen it i

750
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:43,070
believe colleen andrew has seen it so

751
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:44,510
there's a few of us seen the other one

752
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:46,610
it's much brighter because it hasn't

753
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:48,350
been aged because they're never you know

754
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:53,870
they've never released it and and thats

755
00:35:00,850 --> 00:34:58,490
how Spiros got involved and from what

756
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:00,860
you know rough speaking to Spiros his

757
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:03,590
deal with Santa as such was he didn't

758
00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:05,630
get paid anything you know we in fact he

759
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:07,300
was out pocket

760
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:09,710
what was his reasoning behind actually

761
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:13,580
well forgive me the money well there's

762
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:15,830
still the premise to begin with was that

763
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:18,380
make this film that would release it and

764
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:22,160
then six months or so down the line did

765
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:23,810
hold the hands up say it was us and this

766
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:27,590
is how we did it in the hope that they

767
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:30,530
would then get positive attention and

768
00:35:34,450 --> 00:35:32,510
he's his little film business would do

769
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:34,460
more John will get more walk as a

770
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:37,430
sculpture and so on but every time he

771
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:39,230
went back to Santilli instead how's it

772
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:41,000
going he got he just got the brush-off

773
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:42,440
saying I have not made my money back you

774
00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:45,250
know any money I'm putting any money up

775
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:48,080
you know so in the in the ends you know

776
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:50,210
Spiros just you know it's business did

777
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:53,870
increase anyway he went on to run his

778
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:56,150
own studios at waterfall studios in

779
00:36:01,480 --> 00:35:58,850
London and of course he worked with up

780
00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:01,490
you know BBC etcetera etc and there were

781
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:04,430
licensed the studio time from him and

782
00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:07,010
that kind of thing so you know I've

783
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:10,280
carried on still with the same premise

784
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:12,380
saying in public that it was authentic

785
00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:16,100
and then I don't know again I can't

786
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:20,380
remember the year but 2003 ish

787
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:23,120
again you know an email out of the blue

788
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:26,450
from a gentleman called Simon and he

789
00:36:32,589 --> 00:36:30,410
asked what had happened is I had had an

790
00:36:36,909 --> 00:36:32,599
article published in Graham Versalles

791
00:36:39,279 --> 00:36:36,919
newsstand magazine UFO magazine and it

792
00:36:41,289 --> 00:36:39,289
be put pictures of the alien autopsy on

793
00:36:43,929 --> 00:36:41,299
the front cover Simon its Enoch because

794
00:36:46,449 --> 00:36:43,939
it was a newsstand mug he said I didn't

795
00:36:48,219 --> 00:36:46,459
know there was any interest still in the

796
00:36:51,909 --> 00:36:48,229
alien autopsy I said well yeah that is

797
00:36:54,279 --> 00:36:51,919
but you know perhaps you know it's now

798
00:36:58,509 --> 00:36:54,289
online rather than in the newspapers so

799
00:37:01,299 --> 00:36:58,519
it gave me from normal we had a chat and

800
00:37:03,339 --> 00:37:01,309
he said well my friend made the dummies

801
00:37:07,029 --> 00:37:03,349
for it I think

802
00:37:09,459 --> 00:37:07,039
come on anyway we will Tim Matthews and

803
00:37:12,459 --> 00:37:09,469
I arranged to meet this chap in

804
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:12,469
Manchester that was his choice at a

805
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:17,119
particular cafe so we did and he said

806
00:37:21,609 --> 00:37:19,880
yeah this is my pal actually made the

807
00:37:24,249 --> 00:37:21,619
dummies the aliens whatever you want to

808
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:24,259
call them for the alien autopsy film for

809
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:26,630
Ray Santilli so I said well tell us who

810
00:37:33,789 --> 00:37:29,569
he is I said I can't he said it's the

811
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:33,799
only television show him interested and

812
00:37:39,579 --> 00:37:36,140
I said possibly but you know I can't

813
00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:39,589
guarantee it but possibly so I put him

814
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:43,640
in touch with babka via the producer of

815
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,249
alien autopsy facts are fiction but

816
00:37:50,699 --> 00:37:47,359
before I did that

817
00:37:53,169 --> 00:37:50,709
Simon gave gamers a little hint of who

818
00:37:55,659 --> 00:37:53,179
his friend was I don't know I don't

819
00:37:57,729 --> 00:37:55,669
think he did it on purpose he way back

820
00:38:00,609 --> 00:37:57,739
when on channel 4 there was a successful

821
00:38:03,309 --> 00:38:00,619
TV series called Max Headroom you know

822
00:38:06,219 --> 00:38:03,319
and basically the it was this head that

823
00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:06,229
was was talking well that was a real

824
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:09,589
head and the guy who made it was John

825
00:38:15,549 --> 00:38:12,650
Humphries a groundbreaking thing at the

826
00:38:19,029 --> 00:38:15,559
time wasn't it look really yeah yeah

827
00:38:20,979 --> 00:38:19,039
real real but not real yeah yeah well

828
00:38:27,179 --> 00:38:20,989
John Humphries was the guy who made it

829
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:27,189
yeah so off he went and pop kiveat spoke

830
00:38:34,539 --> 00:38:31,609
to John Humphries we found out his name

831
00:38:38,499 --> 00:38:34,549
so I you know got a couple of quotes

832
00:38:44,349 --> 00:38:38,509
from John but in his conversation with

833
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:44,359
Humphries Bob told quite openly he's you

834
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:46,530
know I think John tried to

835
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:49,470
exaggerate is part in all of this but it

836
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:52,530
did say to do to Bob it's Spiro so you

837
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:55,710
need to talk to no second name just this

838
00:39:01,100 --> 00:38:58,980
mysterious sparrows anyway in the end

839
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:01,110
Humphreys pulled out of a doing a deal

840
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:03,420
with Bob because he was then asked to go

841
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:07,290
and work on the ant and Dec moving alien

842
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:11,010
autopsy so you know we were left

843
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:14,070
dangling again so again I just I

844
00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:17,610
happened to find out who was making the

845
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:19,470
movie here in New York Eames a company

846
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:22,770
called QWERTY films and I contacted them

847
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:24,540
and I spoke to him on the phone and I

848
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:27,450
just said you know I'm writing a couple

849
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,770
of pieces of and I didn't really ask

850
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:30,660
them any sort of searching questions

851
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,770
David I was just well I'm like a

852
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:36,960
politician I was saying a lot but no not

853
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:39,510
you know I've only touched one of their

854
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:41,150
executives and lady

855
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,830
alakay and never really asked for

856
00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:45,720
anything and then one day I just thanked

857
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:47,790
you for everything and I said oh by the

858
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:50,670
way just out of curiosity I was doing

859
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:52,950
the special effect for you he says it's

860
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:55,530
John Humphrys he's making he's making

861
00:39:59,540 --> 00:39:57,150
the dummies for us and he made them for

862
00:40:01,220 --> 00:39:59,550
Santilli as well right so even so the

863
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:01,230
coins on the drop they don't that point

864
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:03,750
on it better well it was confirmation

865
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:07,380
yeah you know and and of course they

866
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:10,410
wouldn't on to make the movie you know

867
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:13,290
it was okay not a great film film it's

868
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:15,030
not accurate in any way shape or form

869
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:18,840
and again you know it focused attention

870
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:22,920
on it not that long after the movie was

871
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:26,850
was was in the melting pot my colleague

872
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,570
Russell Callahan who used to worked on

873
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:32,880
UFO magazine with Graham Lee was Grahame

874
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,370
son-in-law and then later on worked on

875
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:37,200
his own little magazine called UFO data

876
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:39,090
now Russell had made a little video

877
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:42,870
about the alien autopsy and he got

878
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:48,810
contacted by a guy called spinoffs you

879
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:50,670
need to speak to this fella and as soon

880
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:53,370
as he said the name Spiros yeah the

881
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,090
Queen in job coming and I thought can it

882
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:00,540
be the mysterious Spiros so our phony my

883
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:03,330
and as soon as I start talking to I mean

884
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,330
you've you've spoken to intelligence

885
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,460
it's difficult to show up yeah you know

886
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:10,800
he's a lovely guy but it can have job

887
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:12,930
and he just told me the whole story

888
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:15,780
luckily I got my tape may take plane so

889
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:18,420
I take recorded it and did a more formal

890
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:19,830
interview with him later what I could

891
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:24,810
ask him questions and later on I went to

892
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:29,250
meet him to to his house in London and

893
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:32,220
he showed me is his diaries from at that

894
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:37,020
time it even done a storyboard they

895
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:39,210
painted himself he's a very good artist

896
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:41,610
his porosity paintings on the wall that

897
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:47,160
his show me faxes he got from Kodak and

898
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:49,710
a whole lot more so not only could he

899
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:51,780
tell me the story he could support it

900
00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:54,410
with you know with with with with with

901
00:41:59,330 --> 00:41:57,300
with with the evidence yes basic because

902
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:59,340
he even he even he was taken by surprise

903
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:00,840
the fact that you've got out there

904
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:02,850
Headley and he fit in realized it was

905
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:04,200
going out all around the world

906
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:07,050
no he'd no idea you know I think the

907
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:08,850
first time he ever googled it must have

908
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:11,220
fallen off his chair and some people

909
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:12,870
find that difficult to believe but I

910
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:14,760
thought this guy is not interested in a

911
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:17,100
subject he's run of a highly successful

912
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:20,970
business which took up you know his life

913
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:25,260
almost 24/7 you know so that's what he

914
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:27,480
focused on and it's the only because of

915
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:31,950
the movie that was being made and he

916
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,530
decided to take a look you know at the

917
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:36,480
alien author and he was astonished yeah

918
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:40,470
and he said recently this is when I

919
00:42:44,330 --> 00:42:42,510
first met Philip this is Philip told me

920
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:44,340
this film will never die and this is I

921
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:46,200
thought it was talking nonsense but he's

922
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:54,170
yeah so you know I was able to confirm

923
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:56,490
what Spiros was claiming was indeed

924
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,370
correct he then went to speak a little

925
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,680
conference we had here that was the

926
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:03,900
first damage spoke in public about it

927
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:06,810
and you know is he's been in and out of

928
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:08,490
the scene ever since because it's not

929
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,130
the top of his agenda you know he is a

930
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,560
businessman yeah he's still working he's

931
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:14,400
a magician

932
00:43:21,019 --> 00:43:17,339
he works in the theater artist it does

933
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:21,029
all kinds of things so this at times

934
00:43:25,759 --> 00:43:23,460
comes a bit further down the list of his

935
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:25,769
priorities which I can fully understand

936
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:27,720
yeah I think this was taking up a bit of

937
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:31,700
unwelcome time with the premise as well

938
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:36,900
yeah so you know I had to add this to my

939
00:43:43,549 --> 00:43:38,729
alien autopsy book which had already

940
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:43,559
published which I have and and there's

941
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:46,470
no doubt you know that Spiros is the man

942
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,950
that led the team that faked it you know

943
00:43:54,289 --> 00:43:51,839
there's no doubt about it whatsoever

944
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,299
well after see I mean I went to London

945
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:56,880
yeah for his later presentation he did

946
00:44:02,479 --> 00:44:00,180
in Leicester Square and I've been a

947
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:02,489
believer previously you like over the

948
00:44:06,739 --> 00:44:03,960
years old when I first saw the year

949
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:06,749
video I thought well this is this looks

950
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:10,200
real and everything but it was quite

951
00:44:14,779 --> 00:44:11,579
obvious when I saw that presentation

952
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:14,789
bust me realistic square he did it you

953
00:44:20,509 --> 00:44:17,130
know he just could just about any

954
00:44:22,789 --> 00:44:20,519
question about everything to do with it

955
00:44:26,479 --> 00:44:22,799
and yeah one of the biggest questions

956
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:26,489
I've ever had about it was I mean they

957
00:44:30,469 --> 00:44:29,130
had kind of film Becky back in 47th and

958
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,479
or whatever if the film was supposed to

959
00:44:36,979 --> 00:44:32,940
be shot so why didn't they use kind of

960
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:36,989
film and sound you know there is a

961
00:44:44,209 --> 00:44:39,960
soundtrack on it but what I can tell you

962
00:44:45,979 --> 00:44:44,219
is I mean Santilli was very fortunate in

963
00:44:50,349 --> 00:44:45,989
a lot of ways

964
00:44:53,269 --> 00:44:50,359
we checked with Kodak about this and

965
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:53,279
during the war there was a shortage of

966
00:45:01,519 --> 00:44:58,920
color film and the US military had a an

967
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:01,529
agreement with Kodak that they took

968
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,249
precedent so come the end of the war

969
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:08,160
that was that agreement was rescinded

970
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,579
but there was still a shortage of color

971
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:14,400
film now what Kodak used to produced was

972
00:45:18,859 --> 00:45:16,890
a little brochure called Kodak salesman

973
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:18,869
which literally went out to their sales

974
00:45:24,529 --> 00:45:22,920
force and in that in 1947 believe it or

975
00:45:27,049 --> 00:45:24,539
not there's still a shortage of color

976
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:27,059
film so they're advising their their

977
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,140
salespeople

978
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:31,800
not just sell it you know if at all

979
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:34,740
possible in the worst cell the black and

980
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:36,180
white still first because we haven't got

981
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:40,050
any of the common self that agreement

982
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:42,630
with the military was was finished yeah

983
00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:45,810
they didn't have priority anymore and

984
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:49,080
there was a shortage of color film it's

985
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:52,110
as simple as that now also that this is

986
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:54,690
our meticulous Spiros duties is research

987
00:46:03,860 --> 00:45:57,660
the type of film that is claimed to be

988
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:03,870
used is called super xx and again we got

989
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:06,870
a brochure from Kodak from that time and

990
00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:09,480
it lists all their films different types

991
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:12,600
of films and when you find that one you

992
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:15,290
go along sort of a column and it lists

993
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:19,320
the recommended uses for that film and

994
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:23,790
that xxx X film class the recommended

995
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:27,110
use was for indoor with subdued lighting

996
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:30,630
so even the type of films seemed to fit

997
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:36,510
the bill now in in 1995 was a TV show in

998
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:39,810
in the States called sightings yeah who

999
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:42,090
took a very negative stance against the

1000
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:46,370
film and they said that all military

1001
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:49,350
autopsies in that area were filmed in

1002
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:52,770
color and they went on to show one and

1003
00:47:00,110 --> 00:46:56,600
it was in black and white so you know

1004
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:00,120
there were others that said there is no

1005
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:02,070
way that Santilli could have got

1006
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,020
classified footage out of America

1007
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:06,300
Bradley blah-dee-blah just so happens

1008
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,010
again around about the same time a

1009
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:12,780
person had gone to a kabul sailor here

1010
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:15,230
in England and bought some old

1011
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:18,540
videotapes no no labels on them and I

1012
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:21,350
thought I'd just use them to you know

1013
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,030
take stuff at home when they put a

1014
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:26,880
videotape in the in the you know via in

1015
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:27,650
the player

1016
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:31,110
there was actually top-secret training

1017
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:35,760
films for the SAS you know so in what

1018
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:37,650
people saying you never get top-secret

1019
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,570
film here there's one one law that turns

1020
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,880
up on a camel

1021
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,240
yeah you know and then you know the

1022
00:47:47,289 --> 00:47:45,920
clarity of the film some people say

1023
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:47,299
there won't be this clear that Center

1024
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:51,650
etc I can just buy look a piece of film

1025
00:47:57,339 --> 00:47:55,460
of Winston Churchill visiting America

1026
00:48:00,759 --> 00:47:57,349
during the war I think was at the top of

1027
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:00,769
the a year one of the tall buildings air

1028
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:02,750
and and and it looked like it had been

1029
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:03,880
filmed yesterday

1030
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,410
it really did I think it was I think he

1031
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,440
was up the Empire probably was yeah yeah

1032
00:48:14,130 --> 00:48:11,359
and it looks like it had been shot

1033
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:14,140
yesterday you know extremely clear so

1034
00:48:22,029 --> 00:48:18,049
the stars seemed to align for Santilli

1035
00:48:24,999 --> 00:48:22,039
just quite by chance and of course it

1036
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:25,009
was the x-files TV show was at its

1037
00:48:31,089 --> 00:48:27,170
higher so interesting the subject was

1038
00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:31,099
immense and from that very first quick

1039
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:34,940
to the Sheffield star the alien autopsy

1040
00:48:41,499 --> 00:48:37,970
film took on a life of its own David

1041
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:41,509
each snowballed and Santilli was was

1042
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:43,430
struggling at one point to keep up so he

1043
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,049
got actually hired a guy called Chris

1044
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:48,079
Kerry Chris apparently was well known

1045
00:48:54,249 --> 00:48:50,900
within the TV industry and Chris came in

1046
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:54,259
and cam the ship and he did a lot of the

1047
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,450
contract negotiation is the various

1048
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,920
television companies because he was

1049
00:49:01,660 --> 00:48:59,599
known by them he'd worked for them with

1050
00:49:04,359 --> 00:49:01,670
them before I didn't particularly like

1051
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:04,369
the guy but you know that's just those

1052
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:07,430
things again and he was Brian I mean how

1053
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:09,890
did you feel when you when you found out

1054
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:11,240
you were led up the garden path

1055
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:18,170
basically what Santilli yeah yeah you

1056
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:22,220
know I remember lunch with Ray one day

1057
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:23,990
in London I told him to his face you

1058
00:49:27,069 --> 00:49:25,250
know so I'll get to the bottom of it

1059
00:49:30,819 --> 00:49:27,079
this is that so painful if no problem

1060
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:30,829
you know and we smile and Canada on I

1061
00:49:39,819 --> 00:49:36,740
mean our lunch you know and but I also

1062
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,829
feel kind of vindicated because though

1063
00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:41,119
at the time there were those that

1064
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:43,190
accused me of being race until his

1065
00:49:51,730 --> 00:49:47,440
apprentice you know I Cole collaborator

1066
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:51,740
one of the reasons was at the time David

1067
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:52,910
my wife and I will have

1068
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:54,950
a very large extension built on our

1069
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:57,920
house so people were saying well where's

1070
00:50:02,260 --> 00:49:59,630
mal getting the money from he doesn't

1071
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:02,270
have it yeah you know so therefore it

1072
00:50:05,860 --> 00:50:04,040
must be Santilli that's paying me well

1073
00:50:08,830 --> 00:50:05,870
they were right I didn't have the money

1074
00:50:11,860 --> 00:50:08,840
but my wife did I owe the other said oh

1075
00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:11,870
yeah yeah which is perfectly true you

1076
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,460
know she'd had a property of her own

1077
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:15,680
before we met she'd sold it and we use

1078
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,290
part of it to build an extension so you

1079
00:50:22,750 --> 00:50:20,240
know I was accused of all kinds of

1080
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:22,760
things so it became personal for me yeah

1081
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:25,250
I just walked away and said it's you

1082
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:26,630
know it's a fake and leave it at that

1083
00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:29,390
but I wanted to prove it you know and

1084
00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:32,060
not just by innuendo and anything like

1085
00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:33,560
that but I wanted to prove it beyond a

1086
00:50:38,350 --> 00:50:35,750
shadow of a doubt and it took me a lot

1087
00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:38,360
longer than I expected it would but

1088
00:50:44,530 --> 00:50:42,500
nonetheless you know you had you know

1089
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:44,540
the the skeptics like Philip Glass and

1090
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:47,030
all this lot and none of them could

1091
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:51,050
prove it not one of them you know a big

1092
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:53,180
skeptic of course was was Jenny roundels

1093
00:50:56,860 --> 00:50:55,460
shooting her mouth off and I said go and

1094
00:51:01,390 --> 00:50:56,870
prove it then Jenny of course she

1095
00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:01,400
couldn't you know but I did so I often

1096
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:03,230
say that you know it wasn't one of the

1097
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:05,510
skeptics that proved this film to be a

1098
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:09,050
fake it was me yeah you know assisted by

1099
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:10,670
my colleagues that I mentioned earlier

1100
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:16,370
and look on the positive side when this

1101
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:19,910
film came out David it raised the

1102
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,950
profile of both UFOs and Roswell -

1103
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:26,000
probably one of its highest level

1104
00:51:31,660 --> 00:51:27,710
certainties highest levels of interest

1105
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:31,670
I've known and you know ufology was the

1106
00:51:36,430 --> 00:51:34,520
in thing in in the mid in the mid 90s

1107
00:51:39,310 --> 00:51:36,440
and that and one of the reasons for it

1108
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:39,320
was the alien autopsy film I mentioned

1109
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:46,840
complained about it and we should you

1110
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:48,950
know because p laura made it it's highly

1111
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,690
some from the conference not me all the

1112
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:52,720
money went into their their coffers

1113
00:51:57,370 --> 00:51:55,160
there were a non-profit making organized

1114
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,380
agencies so that they deserve to have it

1115
00:52:02,740 --> 00:52:00,800
and you know she wasn't happy about that

1116
00:52:04,810 --> 00:52:02,750
and once an anonymous you had a book out

1117
00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:04,820
at this point in time I heard your

1118
00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:06,080
publisher had to do a read

1119
00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:08,540
you cannot donate all your royalties to

1120
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:10,700
charity as a result that was the end of

1121
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:12,830
that argument you know I mean so it

1122
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:15,890
raised the profile of both UFOs and

1123
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:19,850
Roswell to probably to twist you know to

1124
00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:21,410
its highest level I've I've ever known

1125
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,460
David you know in my lifetime so as daft

1126
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:26,960
as it may seem we did have a pretty

1127
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:28,280
positive thing

1128
00:52:32,260 --> 00:52:30,170
I think he stands from damage as well

1129
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:32,270
means into the belief about some of them

1130
00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:33,680
there's something that some of the other

1131
00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:36,950
things that we see as well but I do

1132
00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:38,420
agree with you I think he did raise the

1133
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:39,980
profile especially with a lot of the

1134
00:52:48,430 --> 00:52:41,690
x-files and things that you mentioned

1135
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,440
that was out so when you got involved

1136
00:52:52,330 --> 00:52:50,480
with with because I mean even with your

1137
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:52,340
research you were actually supported by

1138
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:54,440
Spiros when he came out they say they

1139
00:52:59,740 --> 00:52:57,230
say out the woodwork and obviously you

1140
00:53:01,390 --> 00:52:59,750
had all he's admitting everything and

1141
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,400
they could actually back up everything

1142
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:04,400
you were saying so I can't really see

1143
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:07,160
where where everyone we're still what

1144
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:08,690
people know I believe it you know I

1145
00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:11,900
don't understand it's because they want

1146
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:16,190
to believe it's almost like a religion

1147
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:21,230
father you know we've got a little bit

1148
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:28,400
to Nevada thing was about the alien the

1149
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:29,810
interview was it the alien interview

1150
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:33,170
yeah we've got exactly the same things

1151
00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:34,670
that although it's not being quite as

1152
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,700
famous as the alien autopsy but there's

1153
00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:39,920
still that thing that there are some

1154
00:53:45,850 --> 00:53:44,150
people out there but even here and there

1155
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:45,860
will always be people that believe in it

1156
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:48,050
because you know belief is such a strong

1157
00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:50,360
thing it is almost of a religious type I

1158
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:51,860
mean what yeah if we're honest all

1159
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:53,480
religions are based on belief and

1160
00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:55,390
there's nothing wrong with that you know

1161
00:54:00,370 --> 00:53:58,040
my mom was religious she believed in the

1162
00:54:02,290 --> 00:54:00,380
Bible 100% she may not have understood

1163
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:02,300
ER she just believed in it and she was

1164
00:54:06,610 --> 00:54:05,470
honest about that but you get these

1165
00:54:10,510 --> 00:54:06,620
half-wits

1166
00:54:13,390 --> 00:54:10,520
who you know just believe but they

1167
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:13,400
pretend they don't pre-tenure

1168
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,670
that that their opinions are based on

1169
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:19,520
some kind of facts or evidence or

1170
00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:22,010
whatever and in and that's just not true

1171
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:24,320
it is purely down to believe so I have

1172
00:54:29,050 --> 00:54:26,870
no I have nobody was saying well I

1173
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:29,060
believe this film is real hmm you know

1174
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:33,200
and and I have no problem with that but

1175
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:36,530
it's these half-wits he'll say it's real

1176
00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:38,810
because of yeah I've got this evidence

1177
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:41,660
and I don't believe Spiros and I make up

1178
00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:44,690
all kinds of gibberish and that brings

1179
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:47,750
us right up to today of course with the

1180
00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:50,420
the memo that came out about a month ago

1181
00:54:59,710 --> 00:54:53,300
so those are always an 11-page memo made

1182
00:55:02,800 --> 00:54:59,720
up of emails for the attention of us

1183
00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:02,810
billionaire Robert Bigelow number of

1184
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:05,380
people the guy writing it is Eric Davis

1185
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:08,930
con Kelleher's copied in and to help put

1186
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:12,590
off and dr. Kip green and it's placed on

1187
00:55:21,370 --> 00:55:17,990
kik green really and his kid was a he's

1188
00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:21,380
an MD PhD did work for the CIA at their

1189
00:55:27,790 --> 00:55:25,550
so-called weird desk you know and I

1190
00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:27,800
believe he runs a medical practice now

1191
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:34,460
and basically green states in this 11

1192
00:55:39,070 --> 00:55:36,350
page document we don't rip the documents

1193
00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:39,080
authentic or not yet it could possibly

1194
00:56:01,210 --> 00:55:56,260
what green basically says in 1987 stock

1195
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:01,220
88 he was briefed by one at the Pentagon

1196
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:07,330
who showed him an autopsy file photos

1197
00:56:15,790 --> 00:56:12,290
etc and that the photos of the alien

1198
00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:15,800
autopsy would exactly the same not

1199
00:56:22,510 --> 00:56:18,500
looked a bit like I was similar but he

1200
00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:22,520
actually says same as the alien autopsy

1201
00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:26,060
that we all know unloving so I've just

1202
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:29,390
said and he reiterates this he then goes

1203
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:31,490
on to common this is his own

1204
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:33,260
professional medical comment on

1205
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:36,640
he sees when he views Sam Tilly's film

1206
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:39,530
you know about the brain and the heart

1207
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:45,380
and the organs and he confirms it again

1208
00:56:51,370 --> 00:56:47,540
that he believes that the Santilli film

1209
00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:51,380
is real and people have taken this as

1210
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:51,980
gospel

1211
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:56,210
now all I've said is there is no way

1212
00:57:00,250 --> 00:56:58,010
that whatever he may I'm not saying he

1213
00:57:03,250 --> 00:57:00,260
wasn't shown things by the CIA in the

1214
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:03,260
Pentagon all I'm saying is that he could

1215
00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:07,970
not have seen the same thing in 1988 as

1216
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:10,340
the Santilli film because it wasn't made

1217
00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:13,670
until 1994 it wasn't even conceived yeah

1218
00:57:16,990 --> 00:57:15,140
I think that's the whole thing nobody's

1219
00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:17,000
saying that there isn't wasn't any film

1220
00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:19,820
of some sort or a Pitchess or something

1221
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:21,740
from Roswell it's just it's not this

1222
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,540
film yeah you know I'm not doubting what

1223
00:57:30,010 --> 00:57:28,160
he may or may have not been shown or

1224
00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:30,020
what he's been involved in well that's

1225
00:57:36,070 --> 00:57:33,080
the first thing you know is that it's

1226
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:36,080
just impossible it's as simple as that I

1227
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:38,780
know if buts or maybes stop people are

1228
00:57:42,940 --> 00:57:41,030
saying oh well the CIA must have been

1229
00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:42,950
involved back in the eighties him in

1230
00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:45,100
making this fake film with Ray Santilli

1231
00:57:51,610 --> 00:57:48,500
absolute gibberish you know in fact it

1232
00:57:53,230 --> 00:57:51,620
although Spiros made it he wasn't the

1233
00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:53,240
guy who came up with the original idea

1234
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:54,920
that was Keith Bateman and his

1235
00:57:59,590 --> 00:57:57,290
colleagues at aka music who made the

1236
00:58:01,900 --> 00:57:59,600
tape footage you know and they made that

1237
00:58:04,450 --> 00:58:01,910
you know a year or so before before

1238
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:04,460
Spiros became involved and when you mean

1239
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:06,410
I mean I mean this in their very nicest

1240
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:08,570
way keeps a lovely guy but when you meet

1241
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:11,390
up I've been I've met Keith I've been

1242
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:13,580
his business premises I've spoken to his

1243
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:16,730
some of his staff and they are the

1244
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:19,190
furthest thing that you can get away

1245
00:58:31,930 --> 00:58:28,330
from the CIA guys but then of course

1246
00:58:34,030 --> 00:58:31,940
somebody said well you know dr. greens a

1247
00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:34,040
very intelligent man and into this and

1248
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:36,820
he's done that so you have kicked green

1249
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:39,290
looking at the alien autopsy film that's

1250
00:58:45,490 --> 00:58:40,670
the sound tilly film we're talking about

1251
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:45,500
now and he's talking about it as a as a

1252
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:47,210
you know a medical

1253
00:58:52,510 --> 00:58:49,880
professional then he's saying this down

1254
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,520
the other which is just rubbish because

1255
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,319
you know the brains of the alien were

1256
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:57,440
made I think they're sheep brains set in

1257
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:58,010
jelly

1258
00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:00,920
you know the organs are often from the

1259
00:59:06,809 --> 00:59:03,980
butchers and he's talking about it you

1260
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:06,819
know as if it's as if it's real you know

1261
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:10,450
and then thirdly he also talks about

1262
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:13,760
Santilli and his PR Foulke he was as

1263
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:16,130
that word folks that they are I think it

1264
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:19,910
calls them you know dense you know that

1265
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:22,670
bit that further down here yeah but I'm

1266
00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:25,130
thinking well certainly didn't really

1267
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:26,780
have any pre-alpha all the hell's he

1268
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:29,089
talking about you know I know all the

1269
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:30,559
people who worked in some till his

1270
00:59:37,450 --> 00:59:34,670
officer at the time you know so I who

1271
00:59:40,059 --> 00:59:37,460
was he talking about now in a report I

1272
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:40,069
think they also in in a reply to Richard

1273
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:40,960
Dolan

1274
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:43,700
it was seems to be one of the only guys

1275
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:45,650
to get a response from Kate gray and the

1276
00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:50,030
nominees he does mention that some to

1277
00:59:54,190 --> 00:59:52,430
these at various films and I'm thinking

1278
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:54,200
what's he talking about you know I I

1279
01:00:00,460 --> 00:59:57,170
don't really know see and I think what's

1280
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:00,470
happened is that though all those

1281
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:03,920
mentioned in this this memorandum and

1282
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:07,609
have become extremely embarrassed by its

1283
01:00:13,299 --> 01:00:09,530
release because you can see their

1284
01:00:14,609 --> 01:00:13,309
commitment and their beliefs and people

1285
01:00:18,430 --> 01:00:14,619
can understand

1286
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:18,440
David why someone with such an academic

1287
01:00:22,420 --> 01:00:20,660
background as dr. Greene would believe

1288
01:00:25,089 --> 01:00:22,430
in something like this they think if he

1289
01:00:27,150 --> 01:00:25,099
believes in it then it must be true and

1290
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:27,160
I've tried to point out that

1291
01:00:31,150 --> 01:00:29,290
irrespective of his academic

1292
01:00:33,849 --> 01:00:31,160
qualifications or whatever it has been

1293
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:33,859
involved in he's still human like the

1294
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:35,690
rest of us and he has his own belief

1295
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,569
system and to me it's quite clear that

1296
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:41,359
his belief system has overruled all of

1297
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:43,670
his academic training everything is done

1298
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:45,650
and because he believed in aliens he

1299
01:00:49,299 --> 01:00:47,480
brings that that film is real he's

1300
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,309
looking at one and he's trying to figure

1301
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:50,960
out what the organs out of this dead

1302
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:54,710
alien you know but going back to what he

1303
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,930
said he says it was the same as he was

1304
01:01:01,210 --> 01:00:58,880
shown at the seat at the pentagon sorry

1305
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:01,220
back in the late 1980s

1306
01:01:08,170 --> 01:01:06,050
that is quite clearly impossible so that

1307
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:08,180
question needs to be I mean I've I've

1308
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:10,970
asked Richard Dolan and and he's been

1309
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:15,200
very kind to forward my questions on to

1310
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:17,810
dr. green which I've sent whether he

1311
01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:19,160
sent them or not yet I don't know if

1312
01:01:23,470 --> 01:01:21,260
I've sent uh three or four questions not

1313
01:01:26,260 --> 01:01:23,480
a whole list and these are the the

1314
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:26,270
points that that need answering what he

1315
01:01:32,370 --> 01:01:28,940
said to Richard Dolan is that CIA lied

1316
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:32,380
to me that doesn't make any sense

1317
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,020
hmm you know lying to you and showing

1318
01:01:40,809 --> 01:01:38,000
you pictures that were the same as

1319
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:40,819
Antilles film are two different things

1320
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:44,450
yeah so I've asked him how can you have

1321
01:01:50,349 --> 01:01:46,550
seen the same thing in the eighties that

1322
01:01:52,089 --> 01:01:50,359
wasn't made until the 1995 it doesn't

1323
01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:52,099
matter what they told you you were shown

1324
01:01:57,490 --> 01:01:54,920
it so how could he have been the same

1325
01:02:01,150 --> 01:01:57,500
the answer is of course it count it's

1326
01:02:05,740 --> 01:02:01,160
impossible it's it's just that simple

1327
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:05,750
and people Dolan included and not

1328
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:07,310
convinced they think well in that

1329
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,810
interesting Philip I said no I

1330
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:09,680
interesting

1331
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:12,650
not really there's several people in my

1332
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:15,140
book all claim to have seen the alien

1333
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:19,280
autopsy film prior to 1995 but none of

1334
01:02:26,109 --> 01:02:22,089
them none of them went on the record

1335
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:26,119
before 1995 same with this chap kick

1336
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:29,750
green with this memos dated 2001 so six

1337
01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:31,369
years down the line now it could become

1338
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:35,390
fabulous at play I don't know but there

1339
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:38,329
is nobody that's gone on the record

1340
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:43,040
prior to 1995 saying I saw that thing

1341
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:44,750
and described it or of a drawing of it

1342
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:46,760
or whatever you know it just does not

1343
01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:50,900
exist hmm yeah I mean Richard so that

1344
01:02:56,170 --> 01:02:53,660
brings his Rao's coming to Manchester's

1345
01:02:57,819 --> 01:02:56,180
in the in the cup in the next week so I

1346
01:03:00,760 --> 01:02:57,829
might even have a chance to speak to him

1347
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:00,770
yourself about it [\h__\h] it the chance but

1348
01:03:07,780 --> 01:03:04,150
well I might be there as well

1349
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:07,790
yeah just agreed to discuss with this

1350
01:03:14,589 --> 01:03:10,310
with me on e on he's on his own show I'm

1351
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:17,430
gladly show him the error of his ways

1352
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:20,210
again you know belief comes into play

1353
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,940
and what dr. kik Green is saying what

1354
01:03:29,999 --> 01:03:27,680
about what he was shown being the same

1355
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:30,009
as Santa Lee's film it's just impossible

1356
01:03:34,299 --> 01:03:32,569
but you get you get the believers out

1357
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,309
there even Sam - he's jumped on the

1358
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:35,839
bandwagon saying I told you there is

1359
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:37,609
some documentation that would prove what

1360
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,380
I'm saying is right well you know it no

1361
01:03:42,219 --> 01:03:41,119
it's not it's not even though the

1362
01:03:45,099 --> 01:03:42,229
documents haven't even been

1363
01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:45,109
authenticated yet although I would

1364
01:03:50,529 --> 01:03:47,900
suspect they they could be real but I

1365
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:50,539
don't know for sure one of the other

1366
01:03:56,289 --> 01:03:53,650
gentlemen then named in the documents I

1367
01:03:58,900 --> 01:03:56,299
won't say his name but I contacted him

1368
01:04:02,349 --> 01:03:58,910
and he did reply and he he said off the

1369
01:04:04,029 --> 01:04:02,359
record yes they are authentic what is

1370
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:04,039
interesting these are mentioned in them

1371
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:08,690
as well and what big law we used to have

1372
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,249
an organization called knids

1373
01:04:16,089 --> 01:04:12,559
National Institute Discovery Sciences

1374
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:16,099
which was to study UFOs etc one of the

1375
01:04:20,349 --> 01:04:18,170
guys working for him at the time was

1376
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:20,359
calm Kelleher he's mentioned in these

1377
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:23,089
documents calm did contact me at some

1378
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,089
point I couldn't give you a date and

1379
01:04:32,979 --> 01:04:28,640
like I mentioned earlier I just passed

1380
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,989
him on to Ray Santilli you know and calm

1381
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:35,119
then goes on to say in this document

1382
01:04:41,289 --> 01:04:38,960
that they were sent a betacam tape from

1383
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:41,299
Santilli with the autopsy on it which

1384
01:04:46,299 --> 01:04:43,609
betacam is used in in the television

1385
01:04:49,809 --> 01:04:46,309
industry so it's better quality VHS tape

1386
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,819
sorry beta tape and that that seems to

1387
01:04:53,259 --> 01:04:51,680
fit the bill because I know son till he

1388
01:04:57,549 --> 01:04:53,269
did work like that because he gave me a

1389
01:05:01,469 --> 01:04:57,559
copying and I have it here and I I did

1390
01:05:07,289 --> 01:05:05,709
you know he made copies of it on CD with

1391
01:05:10,029 --> 01:05:07,299
sound till his permission at the time

1392
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:10,039
for research purposes the one for sale

1393
01:05:14,380 --> 01:05:11,690
or anything like that I can see it from

1394
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:14,390
me I've still got it he has sat on my on

1395
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:16,910
my bookshelf obviously account I could

1396
01:05:26,979 --> 01:05:24,710
never pay it you know it seems to fit

1397
01:05:28,450 --> 01:05:26,989
the bill anyway doesn't prove that the

1398
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:28,460
documents are

1399
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:30,530
authentic all I'm gonna say is that I do

1400
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:33,410
remember being in contact with calm and

1401
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:35,570
I do know that so until they did send

1402
01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:38,000
betacam copies out because I have one

1403
01:05:42,730 --> 01:05:40,580
myself so at least I can confirm that

1404
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:42,740
small part to start it and I'm not

1405
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:45,050
saying anything that miss dr. Greene has

1406
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:47,210
said is is incorrect about his other

1407
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:49,910
briefings all I'm saying is you can't

1408
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:51,140
have seen the same thing in the 80s

1409
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:53,960
because it's impossible you know I want

1410
01:05:59,859 --> 01:05:57,170
to have asked him you know point-blank

1411
01:06:02,290 --> 01:05:59,869
can't can a man with your medical

1412
01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:02,300
background look at the sound till he

1413
01:06:07,420 --> 01:06:05,540
film and say it's real you're looking at

1414
01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:07,430
you is actually giving his own medical

1415
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:09,980
assessment of him you know how can that

1416
01:06:12,609 --> 01:06:10,250
be

1417
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:12,619
you know and I've said who was some

1418
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,540
Tilly's PR folks that you're talking

1419
01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:16,160
about who were there did you ever speak

1420
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:17,990
to any of them did you speak to sound do

1421
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:20,240
it tell me their names because I know

1422
01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:22,910
everyone that worked it is offices you

1423
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:28,040
know whether they'll get a reply god

1424
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:29,810
only knows but at least I've asked the

1425
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:33,680
questions do I think we've got finished

1426
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:35,839
this boy of mentioning you did a show a

1427
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:38,210
little while back with Chris Evers and

1428
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:41,330
Spiros we've called him Wolford now Kali

1429
01:06:46,180 --> 01:06:43,810
has been quite shameful he's been doing

1430
01:06:48,579 --> 01:06:46,190
what he calls research over the last

1431
01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:48,589
hour long was 10 years maybe over the

1432
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:51,080
the alien autopsy and he thinks he's got

1433
01:06:56,349 --> 01:06:54,770
all the answers now what and I think

1434
01:06:59,890 --> 01:06:56,359
he's really sort of using a lot of this

1435
01:07:04,150 --> 01:06:59,900
latest revelations of his memorandum to

1436
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:04,160
back up his own side if you like have

1437
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:06,410
you got to say about that I know this

1438
01:07:15,790 --> 01:07:10,430
become controversial it can trouble seal

1439
01:07:18,430 --> 01:07:15,800
a call people names but I'll say this is

1440
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:18,440
a fact Collins an idiot you know that's

1441
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:20,150
not being nasty to him I've never met a

1442
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:23,150
lot as far as I'm aware he is just a

1443
01:07:28,810 --> 01:07:26,240
buffoon and he has no evidence to

1444
01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:28,820
support of anything he's ever said he

1445
01:07:35,170 --> 01:07:30,980
doesn't believe inspirati believe Spiros

1446
01:07:36,820 --> 01:07:35,180
he's been there's got handlers is one of

1447
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:36,830
the things I just thought I can't get my

1448
01:07:41,950 --> 01:07:38,300
head round that he thinks he's a man in

1449
01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:41,960
black and etc and like you if

1450
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:43,910
once you've spoken space and met him and

1451
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:46,250
there's no ways like that at all

1452
01:07:52,089 --> 01:07:48,530
you know he's just no the guys the guys

1453
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:52,099
have performed and you know you know he

1454
01:07:57,220 --> 01:07:54,470
believes that Santilli was again has

1455
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:57,230
been paid off to originally say it was

1456
01:08:02,050 --> 01:07:59,000
real and then to say it's not real which

1457
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:02,060
don't make any sense you know and some

1458
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:03,710
till he plays along with him meet he's

1459
01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:05,990
played along you know he's pulled

1460
01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:08,180
college strings every now and again you

1461
01:08:12,339 --> 01:08:09,830
know college never met ready essentially

1462
01:08:14,410 --> 01:08:12,349
he's never met anybody you know he's

1463
01:08:16,570 --> 01:08:14,420
never sat in anybody's office and

1464
01:08:18,729 --> 01:08:16,580
interviewed them he's not being to spare

1465
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,739
us as house and viewed all his files and

1466
01:08:23,499 --> 01:08:20,719
if he did he'd say well they were made

1467
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:23,509
by the mips it wouldn't believe so

1468
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:26,170
calling us as we mentioned earlier when

1469
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:29,930
we talked about belief calling is in

1470
01:08:34,059 --> 01:08:30,650
that category

1471
01:08:36,820 --> 01:08:34,069
he he has his own belief system his own

1472
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:36,830
conspiracy theory and there is nothing

1473
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:39,290
that will will be you know allow him to

1474
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:41,930
deviate from that he's now claim he's on

1475
01:08:46,180 --> 01:08:44,450
death threats I mean I think you know we

1476
01:08:48,249 --> 01:08:46,190
can actually make some call you because

1477
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,259
he's name is out there and he calls

1478
01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:50,000
himself a serious researcher so just I

1479
01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:51,710
don't I've got no qualms about mention

1480
01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:54,200
him on the road on this show because

1481
01:08:59,680 --> 01:08:55,940
because of the position he's put himself

1482
01:09:01,479 --> 01:08:59,690
into you know yeah I mean you know the

1483
01:09:02,979 --> 01:09:01,489
death threats I've been away for a week

1484
01:09:04,809 --> 01:09:02,989
on holiday and I read that when I came

1485
01:09:06,099 --> 01:09:04,819
back and I know I fell off my chair no

1486
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:06,109
no you missed quite a bit didn't you why

1487
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,170
he was away yeah yeah because there's a

1488
01:09:13,900 --> 01:09:11,359
newspaper article come out with the son

1489
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:13,910
while I was my article I worked on with

1490
01:09:19,890 --> 01:09:16,089
the journalists before I went away and

1491
01:09:23,019 --> 01:09:19,900
you know that set the ball rolling again

1492
01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:23,029
and comment says he has death threats I

1493
01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:24,380
mean it's just ridiculous

1494
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:25,940
I mean we would know if that come from

1495
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:29,089
I'm pretty sure from spirit or wildly

1496
01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:31,190
through there over over basically a

1497
01:09:37,630 --> 01:09:35,480
latex dummy exactly I mean there's no

1498
01:09:40,420 --> 01:09:37,640
sense into anything he says I mean

1499
01:09:43,660 --> 01:09:40,430
nothing you know our private

1500
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:43,670
conversations we call in and quiet

1501
01:09:48,910 --> 01:09:45,380
you know appellee answer these questions

1502
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:48,920
still now bit so there's nothing you or

1503
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:51,770
I or spirits or Santilli or anyone else

1504
01:09:55,220 --> 01:09:54,080
can say even if Santilli signed an

1505
01:09:58,580 --> 01:09:55,230
affidavit tomorrow

1506
01:10:01,460 --> 01:09:58,590
saying sorry guys I lied and I lied

1507
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:01,470
again you know and I lied again

1508
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:04,830
I lied again why Colleen saidman himself

1509
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:06,510
that same sonia's light so where do you

1510
01:10:12,460 --> 01:10:09,170
stop with the lies yeah we thought alone

1511
01:10:15,380 --> 01:10:12,470
somebody lies and shows that they coli

1512
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:15,390
yeah but that was alright because it was

1513
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:17,490
the mids that made him like paid him off

1514
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:19,770
you know they paid him to change his

1515
01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:22,140
story with the paid sound till he to

1516
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:24,750
change his story it would have made even

1517
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:26,130
more money because he's changed it

1518
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:28,140
marked more times and I've changed my

1519
01:10:38,810 --> 01:10:34,890
socks you know what I mean so so I you

1520
01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:38,820
know he's an irritant and you know he

1521
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:40,950
will if he keeps blabbing his mouth off

1522
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:44,040
like yes he does he you know he may he

1523
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:47,310
may end up in seriously that's how I

1524
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:49,050
understand things are going with Spiros

1525
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:50,730
there are as I understand it I think he

1526
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:52,380
said so much of it now that I'd I

1527
01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:54,150
actually think he's going down that road

1528
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,940
he's like illegal well he could well be

1529
01:11:01,580 --> 01:10:58,560
I mean I don't know you know you know i

1530
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:01,590
i'm i'm a friend of Spiro stirs by don't

1531
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:02,790
know he's everybody move

1532
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:04,260
some people think i know i don't he's

1533
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,340
his own man he will do it away once but

1534
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,280
i have nope Spiros there's no problem in

1535
01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:13,920
saying people saying I don't believe you

1536
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:15,660
Spiros I have no problem with people

1537
01:11:19,970 --> 01:11:17,370
saying to me I don't I don't believe you

1538
01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:19,980
feelin but when the exact accusing you

1539
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:21,720
love things and making things up that

1540
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:23,640
are not to that's a different

1541
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:27,030
calibration yeah I mean colonists try to

1542
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,000
make out the some kind of ill feelings

1543
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:31,920
between me and Michael Hess man I've no

1544
01:11:36,980 --> 01:11:33,780
ill feelings who was Michael we went our

1545
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,990
separate ways over an issue I like

1546
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:38,960
Michael I think he's a lovely

1547
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:42,300
hard-working guy he's very passionate

1548
01:11:45,980 --> 01:11:44,370
and sometimes it gets a bit over

1549
01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:45,990
passionate and it gets him into a bit of

1550
01:11:50,540 --> 01:11:47,480
bother

1551
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:50,550
Michael's a nice guy you know be no

1552
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:52,020
reason to why you should be enemies

1553
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,370
anyway you know Michael and I disagreed

1554
01:12:01,340 --> 01:11:58,080
over something so we went our separate

1555
01:12:03,650 --> 01:12:01,350
ways I have the greatest respect for

1556
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:03,660
Michael even though I don't agree with a

1557
01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:06,510
lot that he says you know and you know

1558
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,219
he shouldn't be any problem in that but

1559
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,080
you know Wolford tried to make it out

1560
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:12,960
that you know we hate each other I have

1561
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:15,480
no idea what Michaels feelings are

1562
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:17,370
towards me all I can say is that I have

1563
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:19,500
no ill feelings towards Michael at all

1564
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:21,960
and not only Michael and don't really

1565
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:23,580
have any ill feelings about it

1566
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:28,170
anybody David you say you mean we call

1567
01:12:31,670 --> 01:12:29,610
it bad brothers and they all feel these

1568
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:31,680
but I mean at the end of the day I don't

1569
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:33,480
think anyone hates call you more food we

1570
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:34,890
just might think that is a bit silly

1571
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:37,380
Ian's a lot of things he's saying but

1572
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:38,910
does anyone really hate him enough to

1573
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:40,260
say y'all gonna kill you if you don't

1574
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:42,210
shut up you know exactly I mean the

1575
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:44,130
guy's a you know he's office trolley

1576
01:12:49,670 --> 01:12:47,940
he's calling and you know and I wish any

1577
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:49,680
wish you'd allowed any harm but if he

1578
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,010
carries on he's gonna do himself um you

1579
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:55,040
know and and he's been given enough

1580
01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:00,840
warnings about it and well this is why I

1581
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:02,310
filled with off experiences enough

1582
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:04,050
because he's been counting up all the

1583
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:08,580
copyright issues that I mean I'll give

1584
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:11,010
you an example even though I am I am a

1585
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:14,010
friend of Spiro sirs we follow the same

1586
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:18,300
football team and you know you know I

1587
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:20,570
wanted to use a couple of the pictures

1588
01:13:26,150 --> 01:13:23,760
were still photographs I still out of

1589
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:26,160
courtesy asked for permission you would

1590
01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:28,650
yeah that's right I mean says you don't

1591
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:30,660
need to ask me Philip I said no out of

1592
01:13:35,959 --> 01:13:33,510
respect and now I'm courtesy I do you

1593
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:35,969
know I know you'll say yes but I still I

1594
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:39,090
want to ask you you know because that's

1595
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:41,130
the right thing to do and you know I

1596
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:43,380
have no bad blood me with anyway I don't

1597
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,290
want to get into arguments with anyone

1598
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:49,020
over anything you know I and if people

1599
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:50,910
don't want to believe what I've what

1600
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:52,670
I've done well that's fine do you know

1601
01:13:59,410 --> 01:13:56,730
so be it you know on your way I'm

1602
01:14:03,229 --> 01:13:59,420
certainly not gonna fall out over and

1603
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:03,239
yeah I mean it's a shame you know it I

1604
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:06,660
mean you know I can understand where

1605
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:08,190
some people come from if they're just

1606
01:14:12,140 --> 01:14:10,260
you know because they are believers and

1607
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:12,150
I accept that but to start throwing

1608
01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:15,090
accusations and spreading false

1609
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:17,550
information about people I mean I think

1610
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,130
even I think calling even claim that

1611
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:22,000
Spiros has a criminal record

1612
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:24,510
yeah which I thought was Justin really

1613
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:29,050
yeah it doesn't you know I mean I've

1614
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:30,970
been arrested but I don't have a

1615
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:40,630
criminal record it was something and

1616
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:43,600
nothing you know I've been fine for

1617
01:14:48,060 --> 01:14:46,150
speeding in the in the past so what it's

1618
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:48,070
no big deal you know

1619
01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:49,900
and it's like when they look at

1620
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:51,880
politicians now in the ceremony were at

1621
01:14:57,060 --> 01:14:54,640
universities I smoked some weed so what

1622
01:15:05,010 --> 01:14:57,070
you know in that what university

1623
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:05,020
students do it's no big deal and Spiros

1624
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:07,690
doesn't have a criminal record you know

1625
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,410
it's so it's when you get when you get

1626
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:12,640
mudslinging like that that's when it's

1627
01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:14,650
it's too much I mean it was actually a

1628
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:16,870
bloke wasn't it boy someone even unknown

1629
01:15:22,710 --> 01:15:20,140
so when you can really you can make any

1630
01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:22,720
sort of thing up in a blog and put it

1631
01:15:28,620 --> 01:15:24,580
out there but you need evidence to back

1632
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:28,630
it up well you know it spirits is your

1633
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,000
lovely guy you know easy was that legal

1634
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:34,000
claims to be it's you know it's it's

1635
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:37,690
it's it's irritating a few people that

1636
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,040
have these talked about writing a book

1637
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:40,960
down the years and there's no sign of it

1638
01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:45,010
yeah like I've tried to say you know the

1639
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:47,140
alien autopsy is not the top of his list

1640
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:50,680
and he is his own man and the O'Reilly

1641
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:52,690
book when he's good and ready

1642
01:15:59,580 --> 01:15:57,190
you know and and no no amount of talk or

1643
01:16:01,620 --> 01:15:59,590
persuasion will change that you know

1644
01:16:04,650 --> 01:16:01,630
I've tried to persuade him to publish it

1645
01:16:06,090 --> 01:16:04,660
I'd say you know so I've now given up

1646
01:16:07,980 --> 01:16:06,100
I've realized he'll do it when he's

1647
01:16:09,930 --> 01:16:07,990
ready and that's it so just leave it you

1648
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:09,940
know I think we're even further on the

1649
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:11,950
net and I talk about an actual Hollywood

1650
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:15,520
blockbuster film aren't they well as

1651
01:16:22,740 --> 01:16:18,910
mentioned that yes you know on my show

1652
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:22,750
as well yeah again it's not something I

1653
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:25,930
have any more information on all I know

1654
01:16:31,230 --> 01:16:28,630
is what he's made public and I won't ask

1655
01:16:33,939 --> 01:16:31,240
him because if he wants to tell me what

1656
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:33,949
it is that he'll tell me

1657
01:16:40,209 --> 01:16:38,000
and but yes I believe that is a I don't

1658
01:16:41,950 --> 01:16:40,219
if it's a signed and sealed dealer I

1659
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:41,960
don't I couldn't say but let's put it

1660
01:16:45,550 --> 01:16:43,489
this way that is I think there's

1661
01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:45,560
certainly serious interest well as I

1662
01:16:52,570 --> 01:16:48,830
understand it's taking your part well

1663
01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:52,580
well I can understand that why no they

1664
01:16:56,770 --> 01:16:54,620
be queuing up to play my part well then

1665
01:16:59,410 --> 01:16:56,780
but Tom Cruise is no good because he's

1666
01:17:02,290 --> 01:16:59,420
still small I'm sick dollies only about

1667
01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:02,300
five or six in a but you know hey I'd be

1668
01:17:08,410 --> 01:17:05,510
interested to see how that goes on it I

1669
01:17:10,689 --> 01:17:08,420
mean you know because you know there's a

1670
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:10,699
lot more to Spiros as story than just

1671
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:12,890
and I think it would be a good thing

1672
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:15,679
because the actual real facts can get

1673
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,110
out there and I think people sit there

1674
01:17:22,689 --> 01:17:20,480
at you watch a film of all the all the

1675
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:22,699
ins and outs and all the rain goals and

1676
01:17:26,169 --> 01:17:24,770
things I think you make people

1677
01:17:28,930 --> 01:17:26,179
understand a lot more about what

1678
01:17:32,050 --> 01:17:28,940
happened with this alien autopsy yeah I

1679
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:32,060
think the true story of it is far more

1680
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:34,370
interesting than any rubbish that Ray

1681
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:38,690
Santilli can cause we don't want to sit

1682
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:41,330
down and read a book about it they yeah

1683
01:17:44,590 --> 01:17:42,980
but if yet you put it on a screen in

1684
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:44,600
front of them so they can set you see it

1685
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:47,690
all being laid out in front of them you

1686
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:50,960
know I can tell you here there's a

1687
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:52,910
gentleman approached me about writing a

1688
01:17:59,500 --> 01:17:56,090
screenplay based on my work now he's no

1689
01:18:02,320 --> 01:17:59,510
big blockbuster and anything like that I

1690
01:18:04,209 --> 01:18:02,330
would love to say you know it you know I

1691
01:18:06,220 --> 01:18:04,219
got the biggest movie company in the

1692
01:18:09,130 --> 01:18:06,230
world interested I would be lying if I

1693
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:09,140
said that but I haven't gentlemen I got

1694
01:18:14,979 --> 01:18:10,850
to know a few years back in the States

1695
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:14,989
and his main business was contracts they

1696
01:18:21,939 --> 01:18:16,730
used to do deal with film and television

1697
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:21,949
contracts and out of the blue earlier

1698
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:23,449
this year I haven't spoken to him in a

1699
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:26,480
while he contacted me about the alien

1700
01:18:32,590 --> 01:18:30,100
autopsy film and he said he was looking

1701
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:32,600
to write his first screenplay so he's

1702
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:36,320
never written one before and he thought

1703
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:37,489
it might be an idea

1704
01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:41,600
so I him a copy of my book and said all

1705
01:18:47,540 --> 01:18:44,300
you need to know is in there any I can

1706
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:47,550
fill in any blanks and

1707
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:49,620
whether it'll happen or not I don't know

1708
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,150
but of course even if he writes the

1709
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:53,040
screenplay it doesn't mean it'll be made

1710
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:56,010
into a movie but the point is David I am

1711
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,780
flattered that someone thinks it's

1712
01:19:02,420 --> 01:18:59,760
worthy of that even if not even if

1713
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:02,430
nothing comes of it I am hugely

1714
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,550
flattered by that no yeah it's a

1715
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:06,960
brilliant book it should you know I

1716
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:08,820
think it'd make a fantastic movie to be

1717
01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:13,080
honest yeah yeah well you know who knows

1718
01:19:19,340 --> 01:19:15,780
you know nobody expected this this this

1719
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:19,350
11 page memo everything so I was

1720
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:20,730
flabbergasted Ettie we're all just

1721
01:19:26,210 --> 01:19:24,090
popped up again he'll think I was a

1722
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:26,220
natural face but I saw a rating there

1723
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:26,610
error

1724
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:28,290
ah I was that quiet he had tears

1725
01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:29,850
streaming down my face laughing I

1726
01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:34,230
thought this is hilarious you know but

1727
01:19:39,170 --> 01:19:36,240
this is how things happen I'll give you

1728
01:19:42,710 --> 01:19:39,180
an example at the weekend Calvin Parker

1729
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:42,720
the pascagoula case and I were on a live

1730
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:47,220
chat thing and you know Calvin's there

1731
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:49,080
in Mississippi I'm here in Ponte Pratt

1732
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:50,930
what what about halfway through and

1733
01:19:55,670 --> 01:19:52,650
Calvin looked to his right

1734
01:19:57,530 --> 01:19:55,680
his wife was just off camera in he said

1735
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:57,540
I've got to go this is there's a

1736
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:00,960
gentleman just turned up he's driven 600

1737
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:04,890
miles and he's a bit upset you know it's

1738
01:20:09,050 --> 01:20:06,420
seen something he wants to tell me about

1739
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:09,060
him and that happened while we were live

1740
01:20:14,780 --> 01:20:12,090
on air so cow being there went told me

1741
01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:14,790
the next day that this gentleman he

1742
01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:18,780
turned up with his wife I believe didn't

1743
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,820
see the same as Calvin but he witnessed

1744
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:23,040
something on the same night as Calvin

1745
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:25,800
but in a different location so October

1746
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:29,310
the 11th 1973 and he just out of the

1747
01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:32,970
blue turned up on his doorstep you know

1748
01:20:38,150 --> 01:20:35,460
so what I'm saying these things do

1749
01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:38,160
happen completely out of the blue and

1750
01:20:43,580 --> 01:20:39,870
what I can tell you and this is a real

1751
01:20:47,450 --> 01:20:43,590
exclusive for you David literally during

1752
01:20:50,780 --> 01:20:47,460
the night last night the first draft of

1753
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:50,790
a screenplay based on Calvin Parker's

1754
01:20:57,140 --> 01:20:52,620
story in passing the order has arrived

1755
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:57,150
in my inbox for I actually want to get

1756
01:21:00,740 --> 01:20:58,650
Calvin on this show but I know he's done

1757
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:00,750
quite a few so I

1758
01:21:04,010 --> 01:21:02,610
I was actually giving you a little bit

1759
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:04,020
of a rest for a while I mean I've got a

1760
01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:05,880
few short shows lined up and this one

1761
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:08,100
was a niche and that's ended up being

1762
01:21:14,230 --> 01:21:09,300
popped him but if you would actually

1763
01:21:18,710 --> 01:21:16,610
didn't mean Calvin signed an agreement

1764
01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:18,720
with a with a producer doesn't mean the

1765
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,910
film will get made but it's taken a step

1766
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:23,040
nearer we've got the first draft of the

1767
01:21:26,420 --> 01:21:24,480
screenplay I was actually reading

1768
01:21:29,620 --> 01:21:26,430
reading it before I spoke to you this

1769
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:29,630
morning cuz it came in overnight and

1770
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:32,640
Calvin's already ready and he's happy

1771
01:21:36,530 --> 01:21:33,960
with it apart from one or two little

1772
01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:36,540
things and that's the main thing as long

1773
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:39,960
as so we've taken the first step shall

1774
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:42,960
we say down the path to possibly

1775
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:45,030
possibly getting a movie made out of

1776
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:47,730
Calvin's story I'm looking forward to

1777
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:50,610
meeting him in August actually he's a

1778
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:53,400
great guy you know I've not met him but

1779
01:21:59,420 --> 01:21:55,970
I speak to him every week on skype and

1780
01:22:02,450 --> 01:21:59,430
he is a you know he's got that southern

1781
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:02,460
charm about him and a lots happened

1782
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:06,150
since we published his book just a year

1783
01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:09,930
ago and to such an extent I'm actually

1784
01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:12,360
working on a revised edition of the book

1785
01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:16,260
so I hope to get that done shortly I

1786
01:22:22,570 --> 01:22:18,870
know I was a bit stunned by I just

1787
01:22:28,190 --> 01:22:22,580
bought the original one so that was a

1788
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,200
review copy mate but I hope to about it

1789
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:30,000
done by now but you know I was poorly

1790
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:32,310
poorly for seven or eight weeks yeah

1791
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:34,620
that's kind of set me back a while and

1792
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:37,050
I've still got some more hospital on the

1793
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:39,210
horizon so once that's it out of the way

1794
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:41,490
I can I can get back on track and women

1795
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:43,290
we never know we might see in Manchester

1796
01:22:47,780 --> 01:22:45,450
as well I'll be in Manchester and

1797
01:22:49,220 --> 01:22:47,790
they'll be a little bit seen you in

1798
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:49,230
ponder for a time Manchester and

1799
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:50,610
hopefully you'll be coming to the

1800
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:53,730
colonel home once in September I've got

1801
01:22:58,010 --> 01:22:55,250
my ticket thank you very much again

1802
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:58,020
everything I do David revolves around my

1803
01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:01,440
hair so I know and everyone out there

1804
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:03,030
wishes you all the best with that I do

1805
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:07,380
understand that yeah yeah it's just the

1806
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:09,300
way it is some days in the morning a

1807
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:11,970
field grain back on the afternoon you

1808
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:14,550
know it's a different color fish but

1809
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:16,290
I have to live with them afraid on those

1810
01:23:20,089 --> 01:23:18,449
well you know thing it will be

1811
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:20,099
interesting now to see where things go

1812
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:23,010
with the alien autopsy you know maybe

1813
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,400
I'll get some death threats interesting

1814
01:23:35,209 --> 01:23:32,040
it will be interesting to see now if

1815
01:23:35,839 --> 01:23:35,219
these documents can be authenticated or

1816
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:35,849
not

1817
01:23:41,780 --> 01:23:39,090
whichever case they may be whether kit

1818
01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:41,790
green will answer my emails that's been

1819
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:43,860
sent to him via Richard Dolan ah I hope

1820
01:23:47,899 --> 01:23:44,730
so

1821
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,909
I don't know hold much hope but I just

1822
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:50,400
keep my fingers crossed and one will see

1823
01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:52,170
away things ago I mean I like to say I

1824
01:23:57,169 --> 01:23:53,940
think we should emphasize but we they

1825
01:23:59,720 --> 01:23:57,179
could well been old footage and alien

1826
01:24:02,810 --> 01:23:59,730
bodies but it wasn't these ones that

1827
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:02,820
since piracies film exactly I'm not I'm

1828
01:24:06,799 --> 01:24:04,980
not trying to disrespect dr. Greene

1829
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,809
about what he may have may have been

1830
01:24:11,899 --> 01:24:08,639
involved in are may not or what he was

1831
01:24:13,850 --> 01:24:11,909
shown all I'm concentrating on his is

1832
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:13,860
the alien autopsy film and his comments

1833
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:17,520
surrounding that you know I keep out of

1834
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,699
the rest of it but like I said the offer

1835
01:24:26,689 --> 01:24:22,440
is still there if anyone wants a free

1836
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,699
PDF file of my book was well alien

1837
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:29,760
autopsy that's that's that's open just

1838
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:31,530
contact me and I'll gladly send you one

1839
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:33,570
I know I will put that on my paranormal

1840
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:38,250
you dimensions page on the network and I

1841
01:24:41,299 --> 01:24:40,110
think really we've taken it as far as

1842
01:24:44,930 --> 01:24:41,309
Pete and thank you everyone fill it

1843
01:24:46,939 --> 01:24:44,940
please you know I think we could have

1844
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:46,949
gone into all the minor details but I'm

1845
01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:48,840
not you know I'm not sure you know

1846
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:51,510
listeners were that interested in that

1847
01:24:55,879 --> 01:24:54,480
if they want the the full spec of how it

1848
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was made listen to what you did with

1849
01:24:59,419 --> 01:24:57,780
spirits yeah and also the shows that you

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01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:59,429
thought you've done with spirits on

1851
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:01,500
Chrissy show as well I'll put all those

1852
01:25:05,180 --> 01:25:03,570
links on the page as well for anyone

1853
01:25:07,069 --> 01:25:05,190
that's interested but I think those

1854
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:07,079
spirits covers it all pretty well we

1855
01:25:11,089 --> 01:25:09,179
used all the challenges he sees laid out

1856
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:11,099
find this and find that you know you'll

1857
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:12,510
never see another one of these and

1858
01:25:21,049 --> 01:25:17,250
because he's made it it's it's all out

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01:25:22,609 --> 01:25:21,059
there for anyone to hear if it's that

1860
01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:22,619
interested in it you know and I think

1861
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:23,969
you should be if you're if you're a

1862
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:25,650
believer in the alien autopsy do you

1863
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:27,010
think it's real they're not

1864
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:30,130
you really need to reevaluate that yeah

1865
01:25:34,820 --> 01:25:32,410
I mean that also just one last thing I'd

1866
01:25:38,490 --> 01:25:34,830
love to see a little documentary series

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01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:38,500
David the that details the alien autopsy

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01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,290
from it's from its very first inception

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which was Philip the Armand and Keith

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01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:45,970
Bateman right the way through to these

1871
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:47,590
to these this memo

1872
01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:49,930
I'd like to document the Hulk's right

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01:25:54,930 --> 01:25:52,900
for the waiting room so any TV produces

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01:25:56,940 --> 01:25:54,940
a documentary produces listening you

1875
01:25:59,490 --> 01:25:56,950
know give us a call there's an idea for

1876
01:26:04,500 --> 01:25:59,500
him well it's a little context and what

1877
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:04,510
be able to my sister I just think you

1878
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:06,970
know we could could quite easily and in

1879
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,540
maybe a two or three documentary series

1880
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,120
lay it all out from beginning to end and

1881
01:26:17,010 --> 01:26:14,800
and and there you go I mean Nick Pope

1882
01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:17,020
may I help you there he's got a lot of

1883
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:20,260
context in the business so Nick I'll be

1884
01:26:26,190 --> 01:26:24,430
getting this out alright anyway feel

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01:26:28,170 --> 01:26:26,200
it's been absolute pleasure speaking to

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01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:28,180
you hopefully I will speak to speak to

1887
01:26:34,380 --> 01:26:30,120
you in Manchester buy you a beer

1888
01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:34,390
that'd be great it's not next week in

1889
01:26:41,490 --> 01:26:37,720
Jersey this weekend after so far away so

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01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:41,500
I hope your your health holds out and

1891
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:43,330
keeps you keeps you on your feet and

1892
01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:46,960
everything and you know just wish you

1893
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:48,340
all the best and thanks for coming on

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01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:51,640
the show and my pleasure David and if I

1895
01:27:00,180 --> 01:26:53,950
don't see you Manchester I'll see

1896
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:00,190
important to see you in Manchester speak

1897
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:02,470
and all that but thanks ever so much for

1898
01:27:05,490 --> 01:27:03,489
coming on the show I think you've

1899
01:27:07,170 --> 01:27:05,500
actually cleared out a lot of things

1900
01:27:09,660 --> 01:27:07,180
that people might have been confused

1901
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:09,670
about and it's nice to hear sort of your

1902
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:13,090
entire perspective on the thing you know

1903
01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:14,500
because it's sort of been revolving a

1904
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:16,510
lot around spear us but so without sort

1905
01:27:20,940 --> 01:27:19,120
of emphasizing your involvement so much

1906
01:27:22,979 --> 01:27:20,950
which is what I wanted to third and and

1907
01:27:25,380 --> 01:27:22,989
I hope that you'll come back on the show

1908
01:27:27,060 --> 01:27:25,390
and we'll go into more of your previous

1909
01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:27,070
researches and books and everything that

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01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:29,200
so you know over the years because

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01:27:37,759 --> 01:27:31,810
you're quite a pioneer in British

1912
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:40,520
in my in my in my world you're a pioneer

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01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:46,380
astrology you and you will come back on

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01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:51,090
a hope at some point and I will make you

1915
01:27:56,689 --> 01:27:54,300
have a great day I will thank you

1916
01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:56,699
but anyway everybody yeah thank you for

1917
01:27:59,839 --> 01:27:57,960
this thing I hope you've enjoyed the

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01:28:01,970 --> 01:27:59,849
show you've been listening to the

1919
01:28:04,069 --> 01:28:01,980
paranormal dimension showed apparent on

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01:28:05,419 --> 01:28:04,079
the paranormal UK radio network I'm

1921
01:28:08,689 --> 01:28:05,429
David Young you've been listening to

1922
01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:08,699
Phil mental on the alien autopsy and no

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01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:10,260
doubt you'll be hearing more about it

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01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:13,230
thanks for coming Phil my pleasure

1925
01:28:19,879 --> 01:28:15,449
thanks everyone for this team by out

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01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:19,889
there yes Colonel Charles halt is

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01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:21,659
returning to Woodbridge on the 8th of

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01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:25,920
September 2019 it's a Sunday tickets are

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01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:28,110
twenty pounds for an all day UFO event

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01:28:33,649 --> 01:28:30,360
with other great speakers if you'd like

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01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:33,659
tickets please get in touch with me this

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is my email address it's David Young 2qn

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01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:41,969
at yahoo co uk it's going to be a great

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01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,610
event and there's quite there's a few

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01:28:48,379 --> 01:28:46,260
tickets left but so they are going

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quickly so you need to act fast